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Celeron 433 PPGA   (12 MAY 99)

 

by

McCartney "Grandma" Taylor

mccartney@blackbartdata.com

  


Background
The Celeron 433 comes as a Socket 370 packaged in PPGA and Slot 1. Intel says this is the last Celeron with both makes. Future Celerons will be PPGA only. I bought a Retail chip of Malaysian manufacture.

In the days waiting upon Mr. UPS man to bring my chip, I was plotting to water cool this chip so I could take it out to its max. There were no known reviews on it at the usual OC hangouts, so I figured I'd be whacking out virgin territory.

I began by ordering the high end 7ns Azzo 64 Meg ram and a 17 Gig hard drive. The machine is called 'Grandma's Crutch' from the beginning; it was designed to the solution to Darker, my nemesis Quake 2 fiend at our LAN Party in Austin (He only frags me 10 to 1 at Quake 2). see http://208.24.50.83/Default.htm for Austin LanGames

Components
Retail Celeron 433 PPGA -- L9121160-0369 / SL3BS
ABIT BX6 ver2 Slot 1
SLOTKET adapter Slot 1 to 370
Single Diamond Banshee (Voodoo2 chipset)
Impact Soundcard
Soho Network Card
7ns 64M AZZO Ram
Maxtor 17Gig
old 8x CD
CD and HD on separate IDE channels

Testing
I had hopes this chip would do the 50% increase that the 300a could do. But was concerned about the high multiplier. Fortunately, Celerons still run at 66 MHz, so I chose the ABIT BX6 - v2 motherboard. Part of this ABIT choice was the hopes of a Bios update that would give more refined tweaks between 75 & 83 and between 83 & 100.

So I kicked off with 433MHz using the Intel Fan. No problems, ran fine. I notched to 75 f.s.b (front side bus), ran stable at 488 MHz. Went to 83 f.s.b., clocking 541 MHz, posted but crashed in Win98. Bumped voltage, unstable at 2.3v; at this point I felt it could be done with water cooling. 100 MHz fsb at 650MHz was an outside chance only with water cooling; but I tried anyway -- didn't even post. I went back to 75 MHz 2.0v and ran stable for a hour before my rising CPU heat became an issue and it gave general protection faults. At this point a monkey could get 488 stable with a good fan. 541 would be the trick.

So I built a water jacket to cool the CPU from Mike's design, see  http://www.agaweb.com/coolcpu/build.htm     for details. Its a good design, cheap ($40 of parts), quick to make (2 hours + 24h cure time) and been copied many times. The PPGA proves to be tricky to water coolers which run water over the chip itself, like mine. The PPGA package has the ends of the pin go through and surface on top. Thus, the surface of the plastic must be coated with silicone to avoid shorting any of the 370 pins.

  

 


Once finished and tested for leaks, I went back to 83 fsb to 541 and it got to windows before it crashed. So I added ICE to my water reservoir (Do yourself a favor and used distilled water - its almost nonconductive). It wouldn't load windows properly until the water dropped to 33 F. Wow, that's bleeding edge. It booted and ran but the stability was an issue. 650 again, as I held my breath -- didn't even post. Damn.

Then we did the test - 16 of intense Half-Life at the LanGames party (http://208.24.50.83/Default.htm) tournament that weekend. It melted 1 pound of ice every 50 minutes and was stable at 2.3v but not at 2.2. If the ice was lifted out of the reservoir for more than 15 seconds which lets the inlet water temp rise to 35 F, the system locked. The CPU HAD to have 33 F water at 67 gallons per hour. Oh Dude, 541 is definitely the bleeding edge for this CPU.

Benchmarks
Using WinTune (its registered in the Database)
1600 MIPS
632 MFLOPS
Memory 906 MB/s

Quake2 - 541MHz
Software mode
22 FPS 640x480

3DFX Glide - It maxed out a single Banshee.
Both 541 and 488 tested at 54FPS. (Maybe I should water-cool the banshee)

Performance Improvements
Next month, I will be adding antifreeze and dry ice (frozen carbon dioxide gas at -110 F) to attempt 650. If Kryotech can do it, so can I.

Conclusion:
Don't buy it. I would rather have tried the PII333 or the Celeron 366 with this water cooled rig.
488 MHz is easily obtainable with a good fan and any 75 fsb motherboard. 541MHz is only for water cooled rigs with ice. Overall, my 7ns memory and Abit motherboard were lost on this chip, which only has one obtainable OC speed to the average degenerate overclocker. Yes, 541 is cool and runs Half Life like I was having a dream, but I should have gotten more with a lower multiplier CPU.

 

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